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Jun wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:11 pm A mass cull would help.
Don't even think about that with my dog . . .


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Gaybutton wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:19 pm
Jun wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:11 pm A mass cull would help.
Don't even think about that with my dog . . .
Although it was not made clear, I was referring to the ones running wild and particularly the ones running wild and being aggressive with pedestrians. Ie A response to the post about cats running wild.
Strangely, places like Myanmar and Cambodia also have many dogs running wild, but they seem to be docile. Perhaps they have better training or gene pool editing (which is my euphemism for butchering the nasty ones).

Discussing the Coronavirus is probably more important.
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China is trying to contain the virus before it becomes a pandemic. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I have a feeling it is already too little, too late.
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China reports the death toll is now 17, with 544 confirmed cases.

2197 people known to have come into close contact with infected patients have been "isolated", whatever that entails.

See: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/chin ... w-n1120071
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China locks down epicentre of virus outbreak, nearly 600 infected

Wuhan to shut down transportation networks, outgoing flights

January 23, 2020

BEIJING: China is lockikng down a city of 11 million people considered the epicentre of the new coronavirus outbreak that has killed 17 and infected nearly 600 people, as health authorities around the world work to prevent a global pandemic.

The previously unknown coronavirus strain is believed to have emerged late last year from illegally traded wildlife at an animal market in the central Chinese city of Wuhan. Cases have been detected as far away as the United States, stoking fears the virus is already spreading worldwide.

Wuhan's local government said it would shut down all urban transport networks and suspend outgoing flights from the city as of 10am (9am Thailand time) Thursday, state media reported, adding that the government is urging citizens to not leave the city in the absence of special circumstances.

Contrasting with its secrecy over the 2002-03 Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which killed nearly 800 people, China's communist government has this time given regular updates to try to avoid panic as millions of people travel for the Chinese Lunar New Year holiday.

Chinese authorities have confirmed 571 cases and 17 deaths as of end-Wednesday, state television reported on Thursday. There are eight other known cases around the world - Thailand has confirmed four cases, while the United States, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan have each reported one.

Vice Premier Sun Chunlan said during a visit to Wuhan that authorities needed to be open about the spread of the virus and their efforts to contain it, the official Xinhua news agency reported on Thursday, comments likely to reassure global health experts.

After a meeting at its Geneva headquarters on Wednesday, the World Health Organization (WHO) said it would decide on Thursday whether to declare the outbreak a global health emergency, which would step up the international response.

If it does so, it will be the sixth international public health emergency to be declared in the last decade.

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters in Geneva that China's actions so far were "very strong" but called in Beijing to take "more and significant measures to limit or minimise the international spread".

"We stressed to them that by having a strong action not only they will control the outbreak in their country but they will also minimise the chances of this outbreak spreading internationally. So they recognise that," he said.

A senior US State Department official also called on China to "play a bigger role in global health so they taking more and significant measures to limit or minimise the international spread".

"The lack of transparency in the past, especially with SARS ... gives us concern that that may be the case here," the official said, adding however that there were "positive signs that they have taken action in Wuhan".

Fears of a pandemic initially spooked markets but they regained their footing on Wednesday, with investors citing the robust response from authorities as reassuring.

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The outbreak began in Wuhan, a major transportation hub as well as central China's main industrial and commercial centre, and has now spread to other major population centers including Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong.

There is no known cure for the virus. Symptoms include fever, difficulty in breathing and cough, similar to many other respiratory illnesses, and can cause pneumonia.

Chinese authorities are still investigating the origins of the virus, though they confirmed the outbreak began at a market in Wuhan with illegal wildlife transactions and that it can spread from one person to another via respiratory transmission. Among confirmed patients are 15 medical workers, further adding to worries about a possible global pandemic.

Many Chinese were canceling trips, buying face masks, avoiding public places such as cinemas and shopping centers, and even turning to an online plague simulation game as a way to cope.

Airports globally stepped up screening passengers from China and the European Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (ECDC) said in a risk assessment that further global spread of the virus was likely.

Britain joined other countries including Australia in advising citizens against all but essential travel to Wuhan.

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The situation is changing literally minute by minute, and continually getting worse - far too much for me to post multiple updates.

See for yourself: https://us.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coron ... index.html
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Effect of masks (or not)
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51205344#share-tools

Incidentally, the small bottle of alcohol hand sanitizing gel I brought from England met with a very messy accident. It was surprisingly difficult to replace. I couldn't see anything in Watsons and only some of the 7-elevens have them.

Now I just need to regularly use the stuff
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Here's the latest:
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Thailand on alert to prevent spread of virus

January 24, 2020

Thailand has taken high-level measures to monitor and prevent the spread of a new coronavirus after China's public health authority confirmed the virus can spread from human to human, Sukhum Kanchanapimai, the Ministry of Public Health's permanent secretary said.

The ministry said China's decision to lock down Wuhan -- the epicentre of the new coronavirus outbreak -- and Huanggang will benefit Thailand.

According to Reuters, Wuhan's local government shut down all urban transport networks and suspended outgoing flights from the city at 10am local time on Thursday, adding the government has told citizens not to leave the city unless for special circumstances.

The World Health Organisation called a new coronavirus that has killed 18 people in China and infected around 650 globally "an emergency in China" on Thursday, but stopped short of declaring the epidemic of international concern.

However, although China has locked down Wuhan and Huanggang, it is still necessary to monitor travellers who had already come from the city, Dr Sukhum said.

So far, Thailand has confirmed four cases of the coronavirus which has claimed 17 lives.

One of the patients with the virus is a 73-year-old Thai woman who is now being treated at Nakhon Pathom Hospital in Nakhon Pathom.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... d-of-virus
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Wuhan quarantine expands as Chinese fear authorities not telling full story about coronavirus outbreak

January 23, 2020

BEIJING - The central Chinese city of Wuhan pulsated with fear and anger Thursday, as 11 million people awoke to news that they were being confined to a metropolis-sized quarantine zone designed to contain a widening coronavirus outbreak.

The quarantine is also spreading with nearby Huanggang and Ezhou announcing they were shutting down travel networks, effectively confining some 20 million people to their municipalities.

In Wuhan, train and bus stations were abruptly closed, hundreds of flights were canceled, and some roads were blocked to stop people from leaving the city Thursday, a day when transportation networks should have been heaving with passengers heading to their hometowns for the official start of the Lunar New Year holiday on Friday night.

But experts warned that it would not be enough to stop the spread of the pneumonia-like virus, which has now killed 17 people in Wuhan and surrounding Hubei province. The number of people infected in China stood at 617 on Thursday afternoon.

"A bigger outbreak is certain," said Guan Yi, a virologist who helped identify Severe acute respiratory syndrome in 2003. He estimated - "conservatively" - that this outbreak could be 10 times bigger than the SARS epidemic because that virus was transmitted by only a few "super spreaders" in a more defined part of the country.

"We have passed through the 'golden period' for prevention and control," he told Caixin magazine from self-imposed quarantine after visiting Wuhan. "What's more, we've got the holiday traffic rush and a dereliction of duty from certain officials."

Authorities had initially said that the virus, which began in a Wuhan food market selling exotic animals for consumption, was mild and could not be transmitted between humans. But that changed this week when the numbers of people infected by the virus, which has an incubation period as long as 14 days, began to rise rapidly.

Now cases have been detected around the country, from Harbin in the north to Shenzhen in the south. The Chinese territories of Hong Kong and Macao have both reported cases, as have countries including the United States, Japan, South Korea and Thailand.

The ruling Communist Party, which initially tried to show transparency after being criticized for covering up the SARS virus outbreak 17 years ago, has now shown signs of reverting to its default position of censoring bad news.

The Wuhan Health Commission admitted Thursday evening that it was struggling under the strain of the outbreak. "At present, there is an obvious increase in the number of patients with fever in the city, and it is true that there are long queues and a shortage of beds in fever clinics," the commission said in a post that was online for less than an hour.

A post from Wuhan Railway saying that 300,000 people traveled by train out of Wuhan on Wednesday, headed to every corner of the country, was also quickly deleted.

Analysts said the heavy-handed reaction underscored the political risks for Chinese leader Xi Jinping and the ruling Communist Party, already under pressure amid an economic slowdown and accused of mishandling an outbreak of swine flu last year, which led to a sharp spike in China's beloved pork meat.

"This outbreak may be the biggest threat to Xi and the Party in years, which is why they will stop at nothing to try to control and then eradicate it," said Bill Bishop, publisher of the influential Sinocism newsletter.

Wuhan ground to a halt on Thursday as the travel ban came into effect.

The three main railway stations, 13 bus stations, the entire subway network and almost all city bus lines were shut down at 10 a.m. Thursday. Half of the 566 flights scheduled at Wuhan's international airport for Thursday were canceled, as were 251 ferry sailings on the Yangtze River, according to the Wuhan Transportation Bureau.

Many people flocked to the roads to try to avoid getting caught in the quarantine. Television footage showed health workers in hazmat suits taking motorists' temperatures as they waited at toll booths.

Others did not make it out. Hubei's highway management authority closed multiple expressways in and around Wuhan, at least for some periods.

Neighboring Huanggang said it would join Wuhan's quarantine from midnight on Thursday, shutting down transport networks and telling people they should not leave the city without special reason. Nearby Ezhou announced it would close its railway stations "to efficiently cut off channels for spreading the virus."

A raft of Chinese companies, both public and private, began to impose their own travel restrictions to try to avoid infection. CITIC Securities, China's largest investment bank, told employees from Hubei province not to return home for the holidays, and said that if they did, they would have to work remotely for 14 days before being allowed back into the office.

Other measures were taken to limit public gatherings.

English tests scheduled for next month were canceled and film companies delayed the release of seven blockbuster movies that were expected to attract big crowds over the Spring Festival holiday, which official starts Friday.

"Everyone wishes for peace and health," the producers of "Detective Chinatown 3" said, announcing the delay. "In the face of the virus, our wills are united like a fortress. We will cooperate hand in hand, and we will overcome difficulties together."

In Macao, where one case has been found, the government said it might shut down the territory's casinos if the epidemic worsens. Macao's gambling sector is seven times the size of Las Vegas's. The authorities have already called off a public festival to ring in the new year.

In Wuhan, a city with three million more people than New York, many residents were incensed at the sudden announcement of the travel restrictions on Thursday.

"I didn't even receive a notice," said one woman who found herself stranded at Hankou Station. She had been on her way from Henan province southwest to Sichuan and was changing trains in Wuhan when she got caught up in the suspension.

She said, indignantly, that she would go back to Henan. But when a reporter asked how, she conceded she didn't know.

Others interpreted the fact that the health authorities announced the travel ban at 2:30 a.m as a sign that the outbreak was more serious than they were letting on.

"The notice shouldn't come out so late, when everyone's asleep," said Jeffrey Yang, a 27-year-old Wuhan local working in the financial industry. "It makes people panic and feel like they've missed the opportunity to change their fate."

Yang had planned to leave Wuhan on Friday to join his parents in the southern coastal city of Beihai to celebrate the new year. After a friend called to warn him, he managed to get a flight out before the travel ban came into force. But when he arrived at his destination, the hotel owner refused to allow him to check in after hearing that he'd traveled from Wuhan.

"I feel quite nervous," he said. "I think there must be some things about this virus that remain undisclosed."

Some people resorted to extreme measures to escape the travel ban. One man who couldn't get a taxi to the station to catch an earlier train convinced a food delivery guy to give him a lift on his scooter. The desperate traveler paid $72 to have the delivery guy, who would usually make less than half that in a day, drop him at the station. "We were flying," he said.

Others, especially those in the age groups most affected by the virus, thought the ban was warranted.

"I think we can fully understand why they made the decision, they have no alternative," said Zhu, a 56-year-old university professor in Wuhan who declined to give full name. "But it's difficult to tell how effective it will be."

Still, distrust of authorities is mounting.

Although local authorities said they had enough food for residents and medical supplies to treat patients, Wuhan residents posted photos on social media showing empty shelves in grocery stores. Prices have spiked, with cabbages selling for double the usual amount.

Wuhan authorities have ordered residents to wear masks in public places, but the People's Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist Party, posted on social media that the province was short of masks and protective clothing. The post, which was widely shared, was soon deleted.

Speculation swirled that the government had silenced Zhong Nanshan, the renowned respiratory expert who helped discover SARS in 2003 and is famous for his blunt language.

Zhong, a member of the National Health Commission's group of experts investigating the outbreak, had been on Chinese television constantly this week and announced the finding that the coronavirus could pass from human to human. But he has disappeared from screens in recent days.

Luwei Rose Luqiu, a journalism professor who used to be with the Phoenix Television network, tweeted that Zhong had been banned from speaking to media after giving an interview to Phoenix in Guangzhou on Tuesday. Zhong did not answer phone calls from the Post.

There were also widespread reports on social media of hospitals in Wuhan turning away patients, reports that were indirectly confirmed when the Wuhan Health Commission sent out a notice saying the 61 outpatient fever treatment clinics "should not be closed for any reason."

Rebecca Zhang had tried to get treatment for her 65-year-old father, who developed a fever on Jan. 13, at two hospitals in Wuhan but they were turned away because of "lack of capacity." The hospitals refused to even test him for the coronavirus, apparently to avoid having to admit him, Zhang wrote on Weibo.

Other hospitals wouldn't see him without a positive diagnosis of coronavirus. "He was stuck in an infinite loop!" she wrote on Wednesday, saying he had still not been admitted despite scans showing serious inflammation in both lungs.

Another Wuhan woman, He Lianna, said that her father, who was feverish and having difficulty breathing, was only admitted to hospital on Wednesday after her complaint on social media about the situation was shared thousands of times.

As the uncertainty continued, Guan, the virologist who identified SARS, offered a chilling perspective on the outbreak.

"I've seen it all: bird flu, SARS, influenza A, swine fever, and the rest. But the Wuhan pneumonia makes me feel extremely powerless," he told Caixin. "Most of the past epidemics were controllable, but this time, I'm petrified."

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Considering the fact that the Chinese live and work in close quarters, travel in mobs walking shoulder-to-shoulder, and seriously lack standard hygiene practices, this thing can get out of control in a heartbeat.

Trump will probably impose a tariff on Chinese tourists to make some money on the deal. Not sure how other the countries will react.
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I plan on coming to Thailand next week. I enrolled in the US State Department's Smart Traveller Enrollment Program (STEP), and they have no word now of any cautions about the Coronavirus problem. I'll come as scheduled unless STEP says don't come. I don't asssociate with Chinese tourists or go places they go, so I feel safe. Thailand has had 4 cases so far and only 2 in the US. Here I come (he said hopefully)
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jimnbkk wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:33 am I plan on coming to Thailand next week.
I doubt you have much to worry about. You probably have more chance of picking up a disease on the plane than you do once you arrive. My eyebrows might raise if upon arrival I discovered a plane from China arrived at the same time, though . . .

I would take common sense precautions, but I would not spend my holiday worrying about getting a deadly disease. You probably have much more chance of getting hit by some fool recklessly driving a motorbike than ending up with the Coronavirus.
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