The Dead and Dying Malls of Pattaya

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#1 The Dead and Dying Malls of Pattaya

Post by Undaunted » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:54 pm

1. Royal Garden....12 vacancies...once the one and only
2. The Avenue
3. Harbor mall (next to Foodland Pattaya Klang)
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#2 Re: The Dead and Dying Malls of Pattaya

Post by Gaybutton » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:51 pm

Too many shopping malls. There are more shopping malls than there are enough people to be shopping in all of them.

I still go to The Avenue once in a while, but mainly I go only when I'm going to Villa Market. Now that a second Villa Market is about to open in a location convenient to me, if I go to The Avenue again at all, it will be only rarely.

Royal Garden - the last time I went there was about 2 years ago. The traffic makes it a pain to get to from my location and there's not much in there that I can't find just as easily somewhere else.

Harbor Mall - guess what. I've never been in there. So far I just drive right by. Maybe one of these days I'll stop in for a look, but quite frankly I don't expect to find anything particularly exciting that will cause me to regret not having gone before.

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#3 Re: The Dead and Dying Malls of Pattaya

Post by Jun » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:02 pm

Gaybutton wrote:Too many shopping malls.
This is not a bad thing. If there was just one mall, the rents would be high, prices would be high and it would be severely crowded.

Competition is usually helpful

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Post by Gaybutton » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:25 pm

Jun wrote:Competition is usually helpful
Yes, but we're talking about Thailand - the place where if the bars are not getting enough customers, the solution is to raise the prices . . .

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#5 Re: The Dead and Dying Malls of Pattaya

Post by Jun » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:54 pm

Gaybutton wrote:
Jun wrote:Competition is usually helpful
Yes, but we're talking about Thailand - the place where if the bars are not getting enough customers, the solution is to raise the prices . . .
Customers of bars might not negotiate, but if there is a new mall, H&M, Gap & all the rest of them will negotiate over prices.

In the UK, it's now fairly common for retailers to negotiate lower rents upon renewal, as demand is falling due to on line shopping. I doubt internet shopping has caught on to the same extent in Thailand, but excess supply of shopping malls should have the same effect. Well, to an extent.

What we are unlikely to see is any of the flashy brands moving into one of those scruffy Mikes malls. Maybe they should do the costing on converting the upper floors to a hotel.

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#6 Re: The Dead and Dying Malls of Pattaya

Post by Undaunted » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:07 pm

Jun wrote: What we are unlikely to see is any of the flashy brands moving into one of those scruffy Mikes malls. Maybe they should do the costing on converting the upper floors to a hotel.
There are 2 Mikes malls one near Boystown one near soi Diana. The one near soi Diana has closed and is being converted to Mike's hotel.
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#7 Re: The Dead and Dying Malls of Pattaya

Post by aussie » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:17 am

My friend works in a previously busy cafe at Central Festival and says they are very quiet now since Terminal 21 has opened. There were many tourists at Terminal 21 yesterday which will be ongoing with all the photo opportunities, large range of restaurants and other facilities so it will effect the other malls.

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#8 Re: The Dead and Dying Malls of Pattaya

Post by Undaunted » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:48 am

The only reason I had to go to Central was for Carls jr which I thought was the best of the fast food burgers but now that Arno's made to order burgers is @ Terminal 21......goodbye Carl's goodbye Central.
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#9 Re: The Dead and Dying Malls of Pattaya

Post by Trongpai » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:15 pm

Arno's is also good for steaks. You pick out on from the meat counter and they cook it to your specifications. There's lot of different cuts, some like the 120 day aged sirloin is pricey but there's more economical options. The sides though are limited and unimaginable. I just picked up a few steaks raw to take home and cook.

Arno's started at a small place on a side road around Rama 3 in Bangkok and then expanded. They do a good business at all their locations.

Dying malls is just the natural evolution of urban retail markets. As a kid I remember the excitement of going to this new shopping concept. It was a climate controlled mini city. It was the future and then it became the past rather quickly.

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#10 Re: The Dead and Dying Malls of Pattaya

Post by GWMinUS » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:44 pm

Not to hijack this thread...
But do you Expats shop online??
If so from which sellers??
I have discovered Lazada in the Philippines. And the selection is large and the prices are reasonable.
The great thing is I can order things for my Friends there, pay with my Visa Credit Card, and the item is delivered to their door.
But I do not see Lazada killing the Malls in the PH soon. Filipinos just LOVE to visit the Malls. And they are spectacular places!!!

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