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Re: More retirement visa problems - maybe

Post by Maxxyz » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:49 pm

Smiles wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:32 pm
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But, things changed this year with the new Thai Imm criteria and it seems I will have to go the 800,000 baht route. I can do it, but I don't like it.
I had gotten use to the Letter of Income method and then I noticed your post on this board as well as Sawatedee. Thus my questions, as well as my hope that things will go back to the previous rules.
But your experience seems rather odd (I.e. ... being able to use the Letter of Income so nonchalantly) simply because of the gnashing of teeth -- including mine -- that the Thai Immigration's wholesale change of criteria with what seems like little thought.

Smiles I think the crucial issue here is will the Canadian Embassy issue a Letter of Income ?
If so there is no reason that Thai Immigration would refuse it.
Have you ever had to present Thai a/c Documents to them in the past ?
The criteria have changed only because certain Embassies refuse to issue such letters.
My presumption is that Thai Immigration believe that Embassies issuing Letters of Income are following those criteria.
Again I repeat I was not asked by my consulate to produce any Thai Financial documents
And as for nonchalantly presenting my Letter of Income it was with some trepidation that I went to Jomtien this week In fact I was 8 days early with my renewal as I felt that if I ran into difficulties I had sufficient time to approach my Thai bank for any other
Financial documents I may have needed

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Re: More retirement visa problems - maybe

Post by Dodger » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:30 pm

Maxxyz wrote:
I was of course prepared to go down the Thai Bank letter route if necessary but the Irish Consul letter was in my opinion less tedious
Sorry to bother you with this again, but are you receiving international deposits into your Thai bank account which meet the 65k minimum, or not.

If so, and assuming you could easily get a bank statement proving this income, then why was it necessary for you to even go to the embassy in Bangkok?

If in fact your embassy included a review of your Thai bankbook showing these monthly deposits in a Thai account then I understand perfectly why immigration would accept the embassy affidavit.

I'm only asking for further clarification because the way you're presenting this it appears as if immigration is side-lining the requirement as long as applicants have an embassy affidavit.

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Re: More retirement visa problems - maybe

Post by Maxxyz » Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:13 pm

" Sorry to bother you with this again, but are you receiving international deposits into your Thai bank account which meet the 65k minimum, or not."

I do not transfer 65k monthly, for a few years I have been transferring 5K sterling 206K Thai baht every 3 or 4 months I always top it up when my Thai a/c falls to 100K so the maximum I would have in my Thai Bank would be 300k.
Over a year this would meet the 65K monthly income but not perhaps to the Thai authorities strict criteria and certainly not reaching their minimum of maintaining a minimum deposit of 400K.
Transfers from the UK take about 24hours and using this method my transfer charges are minimal
It has worked thus far for me,

" I'm only asking for further clarification because the way you're presenting this it appears as if immigration is side-lining the requirement as long as applicants have an embassy affidavit."

I can only repeat that Thai immigration did not ask me for any other Financial documents other than my Letter of Income from my consulate
I'm reluctant to call it an affidavit as I'm getting grief over at Sawatdee from a poster who appears to be constipated by the use of the words "certification " and "verification"

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Re: More retirement visa problems - maybe

Post by Up2u » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:59 pm

A friend got his "retirement" visa extension today at Jomtien Immigration. Every year he gets his Income Affadavit from the New Zealand Embassy in Bangkok. The Affadavit is the only documentation required and accepted by TI, and that has been the case for a number of years.

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Re: More retirement visa problems - maybe

Post by Bob » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:58 pm

fountainhall wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:09 pm
This raises another problem. It was reported elsewhere that for those taking the 800K route, a bank letter would be required for the first 90-day report, this to confirm that the 800K had been in your account for the full 90 days following renewal.
In Chiangmai, there's no follow-up routine, at least not as yet. I renewed my annual extension yesterday and nothing was mentioned about any follow-up nor has it been mentioned to other friends (who also use the bank funds method) that have extended in the last few months. And, when I have to do the 90-day address report, I always do it by mail so that presents another problem for them as to checking up on any bank balance 3 months later.
I'm presuming that they'll check on balances over the year next April when I extend again and, if I've violated their rules (presuming the "new" rules are not altered by then), no extension will be given. No worry for me as I permanently park the required amount in a separate term account.

As I mentioned before, Big Joke's visit to CM Immigration has caused huge improvements. Arrived there yesterday at 11:01AM and walked out with my extension and re-entry permit at 12:26PM.

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Re: More retirement visa problems - maybe

Post by Smiles » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:32 am

I'll keep this question post quick and easy. I would expect short replies if you know the answer (or think you know the answer ... this is a Thai Imm post after all). Just a number if you wish. I don't want this particular post to spiral.
In September I will be going to Immigration for my annual Extension. This year it looks like I will have to go the 800,000-Baht-in-a-Thai-bank route. (For the last 10 years I've used the Income Letter from Canada Embassy route with nary a problem.)

My question is very short: must the 800,000 Baht in my Thai Bank account be sitting in there 3 months or 2 months before applying for my Extension in mid-September?
I have heard both, which sounds weird, but there you have it.

Here is a link to a ThaiVisa query on this: https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/108167 ... s-granted/ and if you scroll down a bit you'll find a short sentence within the whole site:

"Foreigners must still be able to show the 800k baht in a Thai bank two months before the application for the retirement extension."
Cheers ... ( and just one more reason why I love living in Thailand )

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Re: More retirement visa problems - maybe

Post by fountainhall » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:28 am

My understanding is that the new rules came in on March 1. I renewed on February 6 - so I had to have the 800K in the account for 3 months as per the old rules. With the new rule, surely it should only be for 2 months.

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Re: More retirement visa problems - maybe

Post by Gaybutton » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:20 am

Smiles wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:32 am
My question is very short: must the 800,000 Baht in my Thai Bank account be sitting in there 3 months or 2 months before applying for my Extension in mid-September?
Since still none of us can be certain what we will be walking into when we apply for the retirement Visa renewal, despite what the rules are supposed to be, to make sure you're on the safe side I would recommend leaving the 800,000 baht in the Thai bank account for at least three months prior to applying for the renewal.

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Re: More retirement visa problems - maybe

Post by thewayhelooks » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:54 am

I agree with fountainhall. It was three months BEFORE the extension date and nothing after. Now it's two months before and three months AFTER. Five months total. But gaybutton's recommendation of three months before is prudent if you are unsure or cannot go to Immigration to clarify.

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Re: More retirement visa problems - maybe

Post by 2lz2p » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:28 am

If your embassy still issues the monthly income certification letter, under the new rules, that is all you need. The "proving" 65k deposited monthly to your account from outside of Thailand apples only if you cannot get the letter (UK, USA, & Australia). I read one post on Thiavisa where a person whose embassy still issues the letter, tried to use the "proving 65k month method" and was told it was not acceptable, he had to get a letter from his embassy.

As to Smiles question, the new rules effective March 1, is 2 months before applying (not your renewal date) using 800k in a Thai bank, must keep it on deposit for another 3 months (after extension date or application date ??), and a minimum of 400k at all other times. That said, reports on Thaivisa indicate that some Immigration Offices (or Officers in the Office) are still saying 3 months before for renewals -- so, best to check with your local Immigration Office long enough before hand to meet their requirement (or to be on the safe side, just do it 3 months before).

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