Russia Aeroflot Crash

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I thought Sukhoi have been around for decades ? In fact, Wikipedia says they were formed in the 1930s.
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The Sukhoi Superjet 100 which crash landed was the company's first passenger aircraft. It has a relatively small passenger load. Several ideas had earlier been mooted, including a projected Russian/American supersonic aircraft and a double-decker similar to the A380 but with up to 1,000 seats. None went beyond concept stage. Apart from a clutch of single/twin seaters for aerobatic use, all the company's earlier aircraft were for military or transport use.
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Flew on Aeroflot 28 years ago. I vowed after the flight never to fly on another Soviet Airline. Since then of course they are Russian planes. Seems there was no improvement in planes or crew. Big Surprise!
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firecat69 wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 1:28 am Flew on Aeroflot 28 years ago. I vowed after the flight never to fly on another Soviet Airline. Since then of course they are Russian planes. Seems there was no improvement in planes or crew. Big Surprise!
Aeroflot has 7-stars safety rating in World https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news ... n-the-sky/

In 2018 Aeroflot was 4 rows ahead of British Airways in "best European airlines" rating https://www.worldairlineawards.com/best ... by-region/
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firecat69 wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 1:28 amSince then of course they are Russian planes. Seems there was no improvement in planes or crew.
I only once took Aeroflot in the old USSR days. It was their wide-body 4-engine Illyshin II-86 which you entered from the tarmac and then climbed a staircase to get to the cabin. The flight from Athens to Moscow was fine, apart from the flight attendants who were surly and totally unhelpful.

But things have changed, certainly as far as the fleet is concerned. The info about their flying Russian planes just is not true now. Yes, the airline has 50 of these Sukhoi planes. But no other Russian planes are presently in the fleet. It now consists of -

19 x B777-300
47 x B737-800
17 x A330-300
5 x A330-200
36 x A321-200
80 x A320-200

I also has 15 x A350-900 on order plus 100 more Sukhoi and 50 of a new Russian Irkut short haul aircraft.

Leaving aside the recent fire on landing, my concern is more with pilots. I recall when Aeroflot started flying A310 aircraft. 25 years ago one from Moscow to Hong Kong crashed with total loss of life. It was discovered that the captain in command had allowed his 16-year old son to sit in his pilot's seat. While at the controls, the boy had accidentally used the control stick to turn the aircraft which automatically disconnected the autopilot. The resultant barrel roll could not be corrected.

I mentioned earlier the demonstration flight of the Sukhoi which crashed in Indonesia. That again was pilot error. And in the recent crash, speculation has started that again there was pilot error - in this case by not burning off fuel or dumping fuel prior to landing and then coming in to land way too fast. However, I stress that is speculation. Whatever happened in the cockpit on this occasion, the flight attendants have been praised for the way they controlled the situation on board and got as many of the passengers out as possible.
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fountainhall wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 3:25 amor dumping fuel prior to landing
Modern aircrafts haven't this function anymore. "Thanks" to Green movement.

To be honest, I have more questions to Sheremetievo (airport) dispatchers and firefighters: aircraft landed from second attempt. They had a lot of time to be prepared for for that landing, also they knew what aircraft will lands overweighted. But nobody waited that landing on landing strip: no firefighters trucks, no foam on the landing strip.
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Thanks Moses for correcting the dumping fuel issue, but I note this regulation is only in respect of small short-range aircraft. Boeing 747s, 777s and 787s and the Airbus A380s, A350s and A330s are all able to jettison fuel and may do so over land or sea. If high enough over land, the fuel will dissipate and not reach the ground in liquid form or as large raindrops.

When a Qantas A380 en route to Sydney suffered an engine explosion that all but crippled the aircraft in 2010, it was only 4 minutes out of Singapore. With a full fuel tank, it was impossible for it to land. The landing gear would have collapsed and almost certainly the aircraft would have ended up in a fireball. Instead, the pilots who were struggling to maintain control circled over the ocean to burn and dump fuel for nearly 2 hours. It still landed too fast and too heavy. It was only the supreme skill of the two sets of pilots that brought that aircraft to a stop safety.

Re the Sukhoi crash, I have read that after the lighting strike communication with the tower suffered damage. Yet some information must have been relayed successfully to enable the air traffic controllers to clear the runway in what is a very busy airport. So how fire trucks were not on the scene I have no idea. Even if there was no fire on board, an aircraft landing with a full fuel load is way over its permitted landing weight. The prospect of some form of accident must have been a major possibility.

Meantime, pilot error is increasingly being mentioned in Russian and other media in at the least having contributed to the crashed landing.
Russian news reports say that investigators are looking at whether pilot error is to blame for the crash of a Sukhoi Superjet 100 at a Moscow airport that killed 41 people.

The Kommersant newspaper on May 7 quoted unnamed sources as saying the pilots of Flight SU1492 made several mistakes before and after the craft’s emergency landing at Sheremetyevo airport, including flying into a thunderstorm and then landing with a full tank rather than circling to use up fuel.

The business daily RBK, meanwhile, quoted unnamed sources as saying that, after the plane had landed, the pilots opened a cockpit window, which could have fanned flames inside the craft, and that they failed to switch off engines immediately upon coming to a stop.
https://www.rferl.org/a/reports-pilot-e ... 26829.html
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