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ceejay wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:24 am At least one of the "coin operated" laundries in Chiang Mai is now cashless. You put your laundry in a machine and set it for the program you want to use. Then you pay by scanning a QR code and the machine starts.
So that excludes some tourists from countries where QR codes are not used? Possibly also the immigrant workers with no bank account.
Fine if the laundry is in a location where such business isn't important.

My UK bank apps don't have QR payment and that includes one branchless bank, with a very slick app. I suspect I'm in the minority of western tourists by having a Thai bank account, obviously with QR code. Some don't use online banking.

Mind you, the local Otteri Laundry didn't accept either of my pristine plastic 20 baht notes recently. I had to buy more tokens than intended.
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Jun wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:03 pm Mind you, the local Otteri Laundry didn't accept either of my pristine plastic 20 baht notes recently.
No surprise to me that the machines that accept bank notes have not been updated to accommodate them.

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Gaybutton wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:40 pmNo surprise to me that the machines that accept bank notes have not been updated to accommodate them.
In a year or so, the old 20 baht notes will be rare.
As we all know, there is also this odd little Thai quirk of not printing many 50 baht notes.

So I would expect an apparently professional laundry chain to update their token machines.
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Jun wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:03 pm
Possibly also the immigrant workers with no bank account.
Just as a point of interest (to me at least) immigrant workers have, for some time, been able to open a bank account in their own name. They are also able to own a motor bike, which was denied to them for many years.
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billyhouston wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:30 pmJust as a point of interest (to me at least) immigrant workers have, for some time, been able to open a bank account in their own name. They are also able to own a motor bike, which was denied to them for many years.
I presume you're referring to legal immigrant workers ?

I know some of the illegal ones don't have Thai bank accounts and some do. Admittedly my sample of immigrant workers is limited to one profession.
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For our first 5 or 6 years together my partner was an illegal immigrant. It became possible to regularise that 11 years ago so I no longer have to join him in running away if we spot police unexpectedly! In this part of the world most of the immigrants are Shan and there are few openings for them in the profession where I guess you have experience. :-) The biggest problem for them at the moment is the renewal of passports. Since Mae Sai/Tachileik is closed, the embassy in Bangkok and the consulate in Chiang Mai are able to rip off migrants, needing to renew their passports, even more than usual. In Bangkok they are being charged about ten times the true cost. If I had the opportunity, I would horse whip both the ambassador and the consul.
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billyhouston wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 6:50 pm the embassy in Bangkok and the consulate in Chiang Mai are able to rip off migrants, needing to renew their passports, even more than usual. In Bangkok they are being charged about ten times the true cost. If I had the opportunity, I would horse whip both the ambassador and the consul.
If that's how they behave, about 500 lashes each.
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Banks hesitate in rush to cashless era

EXPLAINER: The public backlash to KTB's plan to introduce fees for cardless ATM withdrawals requires a deep dive

by: Somruedi Banchongduang

April 12, 2023

Krungthai Bank initially announced a planned 10-baht fee per transaction for cardless ATM withdrawals starting from May. (Photo: Pornprom Satrabhaya)

The banking industry's push to discourage the use of cash led some to believe it was a good idea to charge fees for cash transactions and suspend cardless money withdrawals at ATMs.

The Bank of Thailand and local banks have been promoting digital payments in their efforts to shift towards a cashless society, with digital banking adoption posting growth.

Krungthai Bank (KTB) emerged as the first bank to announce fees for cardless ATM withdrawals, leading to a public backlash.

As a consequence, the central bank and commercial lenders are reconsidering their approach in terms of public nudges and incentives to discourage using cash.

What was the timeline for KTB?

On April 1, KTB announced via its mobile banking app, Krungthai NEXT, that it would begin charging a fee of 10 baht per transaction for cardless ATM withdrawals starting from May.

KTB, the country's third-largest lender by total assets, with 16 million app users and 9,000 ATMs nationwide, attempted to offset the impact by waiving the fee for the first transaction of every month from May to July. The bank cited two reasons for implementing the fee: the higher cost of cash management and the promotion of a cashless society.

The announcement sparked a wave of public complaints, particularly on social media platforms, where users criticised the 10-baht fee as too high, especially for students or low-income earners who frequently need to withdraw small amounts of money. Some comments accused KTB of prioritising profits over the shift towards a cashless society.

Following the overwhelmingly negative feedback, KTB cancelled the plan the following day, stating it would indefinitely postpone the fee and await further guidance from the central bank.

What is the central bank's direction?

Siritida Panomwon Na Ayudhya, assistant governor for payment systems policy and the financial consumer protection group at the Bank of Thailand, said in a statement the regulator wants to promote digital payments as the primary method of payment for goods and services, in line with its payment channel development strategy for 2022-24.

As part of this strategy, the central bank plans to review the fee structure for payment services, including cash and cheque payments, as well as digital payments.

The review aims to encourage greater usage of payment services and ensure any fees accurately reflect the actual costs of the digital payment channel. The central bank is considering an appropriate structure for payment service fees, aligning them with these principles, she said.

The central bank will consult with relevant stakeholders before implementing any changes to the fee structure, according to Ms Siritida.

What do large banks need to consider?

A source in the banking industry who requested anonymity said other major banks also intended to introduce fees for cardless ATM withdrawals, similar to KTB's plan. However, the blowback from KTB's announcement led these banks to freeze their fee plans, said the source.

The industry is awaiting central bank guidance on the matter, particularly regarding a fee structure.

Payong Srivanich, KTB chief executive and chairman of the Thai Bankers' Association (TBA), said KTB will also await instructions from the regulator.

Arthid Nanthawithaya, chief executive at SCB X, a holding company of Siam Commercial Bank, recently said SCB and other banks may not respond regarding fees until the central bank provides guidance.

"There are still a lot of complaints about a fee for cash transactions. This suggests a strong conviction among consumers. As a result, banks will review the issue and not take any immediate action," he said.

Kobsak Duangdee, secretary-general of the TBA, said the local industry is strongly focused on digital payments and moving towards a cashless society in the long run. The pandemic had a major impact on consumers' financial behaviour, leading to a significant rise in digital banking adoption, he said.

The banking sector will gradually transition towards a cashless society as the next step, said Mr Kobsak.

He said the TBA plans to hold further discussions with the central bank regarding the direction of digital payments, specifically discouraging the use of cash for transactions. Banks currently offer cash transactions for free across all channels, including at physical branches and ATMs.

Why is there an effort to discourage the use of cash?

Another source from the financial industry who was involved in the development of PromptPay, the national digital payment infrastructure, said discouraging cash usage was one goal for creating the system. The rationale is there is a high cost associated with managing cash, particularly expenses related to transporting cash from cash centres to bank branches and ATMs across the country. This transport process also incurs expenses related to human resources and security systems, said the source.

"Cash is a high-cost area for the banking system, which is why banks may want to discourage its use by introducing fees. However, discouraging cash usage requires a delicate approach because it can have a significant impact on a large number of people," the source said.

In many countries, banks charge deposit fees to cover the cost of managing deposit services. However, Thai consumers have enjoyed free cash transactions for a long time.

The digital-savvy younger generation increasingly use digital banking platforms and cardless ATM withdrawals, without fees being charged.

Thai banks need to better communicate to the public that this is a gradual transition towards a cashless society, said the source. Thailand's high rate of digital banking adoption is an advantage that can facilitate the country's transition towards a cashless society and digital economy, said the source.

Digital payments are a key element to support the country's digital economy, helping to reduce operating costs and increase efficiency, which strengthens the country's overall competitiveness, the source said.

How can banks better communicate their gradual shift to a cashless society?

Thanyalak Vacharachaisurapol, deputy manager of Kasikorn Research Center, said the central bank's strategic direction plan clearly encourages the adoption of digital payments in Thailand. This move is expected to improve quality of life, enhance competitiveness and transition the country towards a cashless society, she said.

In order to ensure a smooth transition, all related parties should cooperate to communicate the direction to the public, said Ms Thanyalak.

Additionally, the central bank should provide clear schedules, timelines and information on any tentative fees associated with banking transactions, she said.

The shift towards a cashless society must be carried out in a phased manner to allow consumers to become accustomed to the changes, said Ms Thanyalak.

"Charging fees for existing services that were previously free may not be an easy task for banks," she said.

"They should explore new income sources and pursue new S-curve growth opportunities, such as partnerships and joint venture strategies."

Ms Thanyalak said digital banking adoption among Thais has grown significantly since the pandemic, while banks have experienced a hefty decrease in fee-based income, particularly from transactional banking services.

In 2022, the country's banking sector recorded fee-based income growth of only 1.5% year-on-year, compared with 6-7% or even double-digit growth before the pandemic.

According to data from the central bank, the number of banking transactions via PromptPay has risen from 257 million in December 2019 to around 1.46 billion as of January this year.

The volume using PromptPay also increased from 1.48 trillion baht at the end of 2019 to 3.97 trillion as of January this year.

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1 They state banks offer free cash transactions, including at ATMs.
Well, my Kasikorn account is in Bangkok. If I withdraw cash from another province, there's a 15 baht fee. Not free. Also totally irrational.

2 The only comparison with overseas happens to pick up on alleged charges for deposit fees. All I know is UK banks usually issue ATM cards for free and allow ATM withdrawals for free. They make money in other ways.

MY UK bank issues an ATM card where the contactless payment works almost everywhere. Swipe the card and it's done. Way faster than this QR code nonsense which is more common in Thailand.

Although my Kasikorn card has contactless payment, whether it works or not seems to be very hit & miss.
This is not encouraging a move to a cashless society. Make something fast, free and reliable, then people might just switch to it.

Admittedly, I'm not keen on a move to a cashless society in Thailand. So I only use the card when I have to, or where it's far more convenient (e.g. MRT)

Imagine if Thailand were totally cashless. How would a Khmer/Lao money boy operate ?
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Jun wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 5:42 pm Imagine if Thailand were totally cashless. How would a Khmer/Lao money boy operate ?
I can't believe Thailand can go totally cashless, but I suppose it's possible. You mention Khmer/Lao boys. What about international tourists? They have to be accommodated too. Do they have anything in place for that yet - which would be acceptable to foreign tourists?
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