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Gaybutton wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:19 pm I would also love to see high stature reporters such as Christiane Amanpour interview some of those blocking Pita. In a similar interview I would want to see how they would justify what they are doing and why they are disregarding the election results.
Unfortunately, the military and their appointed senators don't have to explain themselves.
The constitution was always set up so they could block election results.
With 250 appointed senators, any PM candidate needs 75% of the vote from elected MPs, which is a very high hurdle for a fragmented multi-party system.
If that doesn't achieve the result the military want, they have the Electoral Commission and Constitutional Court.

Regarding interviews, I also guess that many of them will not speak English to the same high standard as Pita.
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Jun wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:03 pm Regarding interviews, I also guess that many of them will not speak English to the same high standard as Pita.
Bilingual professional translators can be used. But I doubt any of them ever will sit down for an interview whether they can speak English or not. For what? They have nothing to gain and would find it very difficult to convince native English speakers they are doing the right thing by blocking the election.
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I suppose nobody is considering backing off on their own agenda, which is why Pita won't be installed as Prime Minister since he refuses to back off on his, and all these parties just back off and install the person the people overwhelmingly voted for. In case you've forgotten, that would be Pita.

Doesn't the will of the people count for anything? Unless something drastically changes, when the general public is encouraged to vote in the next Prime Minister election, why should they if in the end their choice means nothing. What kind of precedent has been set as a result of all this.

What do they think the best thing to do is - let this in-fighting by people who were never elected to anything continue to fester or give the people the Prime Minister they voted for?
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Democrat Party meeting to elect leader collapses again

August 6, 2023

A planned general assembly of the Democrat Party, scheduled for Sunday at the Miracle Grand Convention Hotel in Bangkok to elect the new leader and the executive committee, collapsed again due to a lack of quorum.

The election of the new leader and the executive committee became necessary after Jurin Laksanawisit, then party leader, on the night of May 14 announced his resignation to take responsibility for the party's poor showing in the May 14 election, winning only 25 seats in the House of Representatives – about half the number it won in the 2019 poll.

The party called the first general assembly for July 9 to elect the new leader and executive committee, but it could not proceed due to a lack of quorum. It was reported that the meeting was fraught with conflict between two camps vying for the party leadership.

On Sunday, party members were initially expected to gather at the hotel from 8.30am and the meeting was to start at 9.30am.

Core party members including Mr Jurin, caretaker secretary-general Chalermchai Sri-on, and former party leaders Chuan Leekpai, Banyat Bantadtan and Abhisit Vejjajiva were all ready for the meeting, but the turnout by other party members was low.

At 9.30am, Sutham Rahong, the party director, said only 210 members had signed in, 40 short of the 250 required to make a quorum.

The party members who had turned up agreed to wait.

Mr Chalermchai, the caretaker secretary-general, reportedly appeared tense. He kept walking in and out of the meeting room, telling reporters to stay put for an announcement.

At 10.36am, Mr Sutham said the number of party members in attendance was only 223, still short of 250. The scheduled party meeting subsequently collapsed.

Some party members gradually left, while others remained there discussing the tense situation in groups.

Mr Chalermchai called a media briefing. He said the lack of quorum on two occasions was intentionally caused by a group of party members, but did not elaborate.

He condemned the perpetrators, saying that doing so contravened the Democrat Party principles declared at its founding on April 6, 1946.

Mr Chalermchai said on July 9 some party members intentionally stayed out of the meeting without signing in. On Sunday Aug 6, many were away in Laos for a tour, he said.

He called for party members to abide by party regulations, adding that each of the collapses meant a loss of 3-4 million baht from people's donations to the party.

Mr Chalermchai said he was ready to wash his hands of politics if he was found to be the party's problem.

Asked when he thought a new meeting could be called, Mr Chalermchai said this would be decided by a meeting of the caretaker executive committee.

Mallika Boonmeetrakul Mahasuk, a former party list MP, called for the caretaker executive committee members and party advisers to meet and exchange opinions to bring the party out of the deadlock.

In her understanding, the party is now divided into two blocs with opposing opinions. At this time of political difficulty, all sides should talk to one another, she said.

Prior to the scheduled meeting on Sunday, Sathit Pitutecha, a Democrat Party deputy leader for the Central region, said he would nominate Mr Abhisit for the post of party leader.

"Mr Abhisit is suitable for the party leadership in this situation. I believe he would be able to lead the party to regain popularity," he said.

In the planned Sunday meeting, Narapat Kaewthong, a deputy party leader, was expected to be nominated for the post of party leader with support from 19-20 MPs in Mr Chalermchai's bloc while the other group wanted Mr Abhisit back in the post.

The party was also to discuss whether to join a coalition government being formed by the Pheu Thai Party. The two blocs reportedly held conflicting opinions over this matter. While Mr Chalermchai's group had no objection to join, the other group disagreed, saying the party should be in the opposition.

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I hear that General Prawit, or Anutin, will end up as PM. What price democracy?
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KeithAmbrose wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:43 pm I hear that General Prawit, or Anutin, will end up as PM.
That could very well happen. And they received the smallest number of votes from among all the candidates in the general election.
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Pita gives view on PM rejection

August 11, 2023

Move Forward Party (MFP) leader Pita Limjaroenrat on Thursday said he believes he could have been renominated for prime minister in parliament without having to wait for a court ruling.

His renomination was earlier rejected by a joint sitting of MPs and senators on July 19 under a House regulation which prohibits a motion already rejected by parliament from being resubmitted during the same parliamentary session unless the situation or circumstances surrounding a bid for prime minister has changed.

Those who rejected his renomination argued that the MFP leader, who was the only one nominated for the post, failed to get the needed majority in a July 13 meeting, so the rule should be enforced.

However, Mr Pita's supporters claimed the House rule did not apply in the prime ministerial selection process and submitted the issue to the Constitutional Court for a ruling via the Office of Ombudsman.

Responding to questions about the pending court case, Mr Pita said he believed he remains eligible to be renominated as a challenger under House regulations without having to wait for a court decision.

However, he said now was not the time to try renominating him because the MFP had stepped back and let Pheu Thai take the lead in forming a coalition government.

But when asked about being in opposition, Mr Pita expressed the hope of having the chance one day to be in the government.

"If [the country] wants a new generation to work for them, I'm ready. I've been preparing for it and want to show our country can go further than this.

"If you were and are impressed by our performance as an opposition party, we can deliver more as a government," he said.

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Pita cleared in first round of polling agency enquiry over ITV shares

August 14, 2023

The Election Commission’s investigation committee has ruled that a petition to investigate and disquality Move Forward leader Pita Limjaroenrat for holding a tiny fragment of 0.0035% shares of non-operating ITV channel should be dismissed, TV Channel 7 said this afternoon (Aug. 14).

However the polling agency’s subcommittee has still to decide whether further investigation is required with Pita possibly being asked to testify.

It is also possible that the subcommittee will wait for the Constitutional Court’s ruling on its MP-disqualifying lawsuit against Pita on the charge of holding this minuscule amount of ITV shares.

Electoral candidates may be disqualified by law if found to hold shares of any media firms.

The committee said that this petition should be dismissed because under the Section 151 of the election organic law filing a criminal case requires clear evidence. The panel found that when registration of electoral contestants took place during April 4-7 ITV was not operating and earning income from media production.

The committee’s report was sent to the polling agency’s secretary-general who in turn assigned the deputy secretary-general to distribute copies to sub-committee members to again assess and rule on this petition before informing the main body of its decision.

Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit, the former Future Forward leader, had engaged in similar legal battles which finally resulted in the Constitutional Court’s verdict to ban him and the then-members of the progressive party’s executive board from politics for a 10-year time and dissolve the party which has practically resurrected as the Move Forward.

https://thainewsroom.com/2023/08/14/pit ... tv-shares/
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Pheu Thai will nominate Srettha for PM

Candidate does not have to be in parliament for vote

August 14, 2023

Pheu Thai will propose Srettha Thavisin for prime minister, expects he will immediately get all the support he needs, and he does not have to attend the joint sitting of parliament that will vote on his nomination, according to party secretary-general Prasert Chanthararuangthong.

Mr Prasert said on Monday that key party figures had agreed and confirmed that Mr Srettha would be their candidate for prime minister.

He dismissed speculation that Paetongtarn Shinawatra, another of the party's three registered candidates, could be nominated to the parliament instead of Mr Srettha. Ms Paetongtarn is a daughter of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

"The members of the House of Representatives who will support Pheu Thai's prime ministerial candidate should number about 270. The support of the Senate is also being requested. I believe that many senators will support the candidate of Pheu Thai," the party secretary-general said.

"So, I am confident that Mr Srettha will be elected right away."

The constitution requires a joint vote by the 500 House representatives and 250 senators to select the prime minister.

Mr Prasert confirmed that Pheu Thai would be happy to receive supporting votes from all political parties, including the two political parties linked to caretaker Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha and caretaker Deputy Prime Minister Prawit Wongsuwon.

Asked to comment on some senators' demand that Mr Srettha elaborate on his qualifications in the parliament, Mr Prasert said that Mr Srettha was not an MP and so he was not required to be in the parliament when it votes for a prime minister.

Parliament President Wan Muhamad Noor Matha said that he may reconvene the joint sitting of the House and the Senate either on Friday this week or Tuesday next week, for their vote for prime minister.

He preferred to first wait for a ruling from the Constitutional Court, expected on Wednesday, on the parliament's resolution rejecting the renomination of Move Forward Party leader Pita Limjaroenrat for prime minister on July 19.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/po ... tha-for-pm
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Thai House Speaker Delays Setting Final Date for Prime Minister Vote Pending Charter Court’s Ruling

By Tanakorn Panyadee

14 August, 2023

Parliament speaker Wan Muhammad Noor Matha has yet to decide the final date for the next round of Thailand’s prime ministerial vote pending the Thai charter court’s ruling on the ombudsmen’s petition.

Mr. Wan explained that he is currently awaiting the Constitutional Court’s decision on whether or not to accept the ombudsman’s petition to investigate the rejection of Pita Limjaroenrat’s re-nomination for a PM seat by 394 parliamentarians.

The court is scheduled to make a decision on Wednesday, August 16th.

The 394 parliamentarians previously voted to disallow Pita, leader of the election-winner Move Forward Party, from being re-nominated, citing a meeting regulation that bars the same motion from being submitted twice in the same session.

However, Pita argued that the PM nomination is not governed by a meeting regulation but rather by the constitution. His party then filed a petition with the ombudsman seeking a court ruling to invalidate the decision of the 394 parliamentarians who disagreed with renominating him for a Prime Ministerial vote.

The ombudsman then accepted the petition and forwarded it to the court as well as asking for any future PM vote to be suspended until the charter court reaches a verdict.

Mr. Wan, meanwhile, further stated that the next PM voting may happen either on Friday the 18th or next Tuesday, the 22nd of August if the court decides in a manner that allows the vote to proceed.

“There are several possible outcomes of the court’s decision, so we must wait to see it first before we can schedule the next joint sitting of MPs and senators to elect the PM,” Mr. Wan said.

He will discuss setting the voting date with both the upper and lower portions of the House as soon as the charter court makes a decision, Mr. Wan added.

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Apparently Thailand's Constitutional Court is refusing to hear any cases brought up do that Pita can be renominated because it was not Pita himself who filed any of these petitions.

That effectively will mean whoever the next Prime Minister will be, it won't be Pita. Despite the fact that he won a landslide election, a comparative handful of his enemies managed to get their own way instead of what the people obviously want.

However, Pita does not strike me as the type who will just fade away. I don't think we've heard the last of Pita at all.
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Charter Court refuses to consider rejection of Pita’s renomination as PM

August 16, 2023

The Constitutional Court has unanimously refused to consider the Ombudsman’s petition seeking a ruling on the constitutionality of parliament’s decision to reject the renomination of Move Forward leader Pita Limjaroenrat for prime minister.

The Court ruled that the three petitioners, two individuals who voted for Move Forward and another who was a Move Forward MP, were not the persons directly affected.

The ombudsmen asked the court to invalidate the parliamentary resolution that blocked the renomination of Pita, based on a meeting regulation that the same motion cannot be submitted twice in the same session.

The ombudsmen also asked the court to suspend the next vote on the selection of a prime minister, until the court issued a ruling on the petition.

The Court also refused to consider this motion and, accordingly, the request to suspend the next selection process is dismissed.

Parliament President Wan Muhamad Noor Matha has said he would wait for the Constitutional Court’s decision on the petition before scheduling the next round of voting.

He called a meeting of House and Senate whips today (Wednesday), to set the date for a joint sitting to select the prime minister.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/urgent-cha ... ion-as-pm/
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In the Senate we trust? Or just a dream?

by Anchalee Kongrut, Editorial Pages Editor, Bangkok Post

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August 17, 2023

Finally, the Constitutional Court made a ruling by throwing out the Ombudsman's petition. Critics will scratch their heads as to why the court took weeks to decide that it would not consider the case.

The Ombudsman in July asked the court to rule whether the Lower House had violated the constitution in using the House's meeting rule No. 41 in rejecting the premiership renomination of Move Forward Party (MFP) candidate Pita Limjaroenrat last month.

Now the ball is in the court of House Speaker Wan Muhamad Noor Matha and the 500 MPs to decide the premiership selection process.

If the speaker upholds the constitution, the parties will be free to renominate their candidates. If Mr Wan decides to stick with the No. 41 meeting code, Pheu Thai -- and other parties -- can only nominate each candidate one time.

The ball has also rolled directly into the Senate's court.

Because the Pheu Thai-led coalition can muster only 315 votes for its prime minister candidate, it must depend on 61 votes from the senators.

That is because Section 272 of the junta-endorsed 2017 constitution empowers senators to take part in voting to select a prime minister, provided the 500-seat Lower House cannot gather at least 376 votes -- or 75.2% of the Lower House.

Personally, I find it regrettable -- but understandable -- that the MFP has decided not to vote for Pheu Thai candidate Srettha Thawisin.

After being ditched -- or backstabbed, according to fans of the MFP -- the progressive party took its political revenge, rooted firmly in its stance that it will not associate with any of the so-called "uncle" parties, by which refers to the two parties that are reportedly now courting Pheu Thai (or vice-versa).

While the MFP is likely to walk over to the opposition bench with vindicated pride, the Lower House squandered its final chance to "switch off" Section 272 of the current charter.

It needs to be mentioned that former "democratic" opposition parties -- led by Pheu Thai and the MFP -- have campaigned for "switching off" the senators for two years.

Now the opportunity has arrived, however, politicians have failed to rise to the occasion. Who is to blame but the cruel machinations of politics?

I still wonder what might happen if the MFP were to pull out the political rug by giving its votes to Pheu Thai.

Of course, that sounds like a brainless thing to do. After all, politics is about playing hardball, pulling out the rug, and creating chances and opportunities.

So, the prospective coalition has to lean on the Senate for the 60 votes it so desperately needs.

That would open the door for Bhumjaithai -- which came in third in the May 14 election -- and the fourth-placed Palang Pracharath Party, to nominate their respective candidates.

So from today, expect to see the likes of Senator Kittisak Rattanawaraha, who has been in the media a lot lately, telling reporters about the senators' preferences.

It is shocking to hear the senator predict that the candidate from Pheu Thai would not be prime minister and advocating Paetongtarn Shinawatra over Mr Srettha.

Recently, he said that if Pheu Thai's candidate failed, Bhumjaithai and PPRP should step in. At this point, I even ask myself what is the role of a senator?

Also, prepare to hear more from Sen Jadet Insawang during the expected grilling of Pheu Thai candidate Srettha next week, when the vote is tentatively scheduled to be held.

Personally, I was shocked to see how our senators crossed the red line in picking the next PM.

Make no mistake, senators have a legal mandate to select a suitable leader, and I always respect their decisions.

Yet some raise their demands constantly and set impossible conditions. First, they did not vote for Mr Pita because he wanted to change Section 112 of the Criminal Code, known as the lese majeste law.

Then, they said they would not vote for any party that wishes to revise Section 112. Like it or not, such conditions spelt doom for the coalition-leading MFP. Voters may be confused as to why the winning party is not leading the government.

The latest target is Mr Srettha. Last week, the Upper House's committee on political development, which Mr Jadet heads, met to discuss Mr Srettha's qualification for the role of PM.

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This came after former massage parlour tycoon, Chuvit Kamolwisit, made tax-dodging accusations against Mr Srettha.

I wonder whether the Upper's House committee can give him a fair go. It will take considerable resources to prove the accusation is true, if that is the case.

The big question is how the senators will react if one of the candidates is Anutin Charnvirakul, Bhumjaithai Party's candidate. Will they grill him on the party's cannabis policy?

And what will the senators' conditions be for accepting PPRP candidate Prawit Wongsuwon? Are they perturbed by the luxury wristwatch scandal he has been embroiled in for years?

Does the sub-committee led by Mr Jadet plan to ask the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) to reveal the investigation report on Gen Prawit's wristwatches?

For those who have forgotten, the Supreme Administrative Court in April ordered the NACC to reveal this report. But the NACC has managed to kick the can down the road for months.

I hope the senators will apply the same standards used for all candidates. The bigger question is, what will society do if they don't?

Sen Kittisak seems nonchalant about public reaction -- not to mention the views of the opposition.

"They don't have to shoo me away. We only have 10 months left in the Upper House. Then we will leave," he said, beaming after giving a media interview.

The senators will bid us adieu next May. But their political impact will remain.

Anchalee Kongrut is the Editorial Pages Editor at the Bangkok Post.

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Er, this is Thailand, mind you, Trump and friends?
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