puan wrote:Yes, an excellent read penned by Mr. D.
travelerjim wrote:
Now it's time to come together to find solutions for the many challenges and problems facing America.
I have confidence in America will endure this election crisis of confidence. Let's give Trump a fair chance at change for a better America.
Very nice sentiments. I just wish the "unloyal" opposition had the same sentiments in 2008 when an other gentlement was taking the office.
BTW... I voted for Obama in 2008...
For his vision of hope and change...
Which never happened.
Both political parties are corrupted by $$$ from lobbyists and the rich ideologies of its puppeteers.
Now we're at that point once again...
Will change happen this time? Hopefully.
But it's not going to be easy making it happen.
lvdkeyes wrote:Fact checkers have said Hillary is the most honest of all the 2016 who were running.
There you go again with your fact checking obsession.
So what is it that you want, a system that mandates that voters ought to vote for those candidates that got the fact checkers' stamp of approval? Serious question, I really don't get why you see the need to bring that up time and again. I would say many voters are completely immune to facts. Unless you can somehow eliminate them from the equation, facts are not as relevant as you like to believe.
Also, it does say a lot about the field of candidates when someone like Hillary can come out on top for honesty. It's quite revolting, actually.
Alex wrote:facts are not as relevant as you like to believe.
I'm with lvdkeyes on this one. This election makes it obvious to me that you're correct in that facts weren't relevant to a great many voters, as you say. But they're relevant to me and greatly influence who I wish to vote for (or against).
And yes, I rely on fact checkers in the media. They are in a position to check the facts. I am not.
I agree about revolting. This whole election and the campaign, in my opinion, was revolting.
My point wasn't that facts shouldn't matter. My point was that they don't matter (that much) to many voters. So even if you, personally, are a believer in facts, I think you need to come to terms with that reality.
Then there's the spin issue. A candidate might be truthful about the facts they state (duly confirmed by "fact checkers'"), but blow them out of proportion, for example by ignoring other (less convenient) facts and the likes. Putting facts into perspective is just as important as getting the facts right in the first place.
'NOW, what I want is, Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon Facts: nothing else will ever be of any service to them. This is the principle on which I bring up my own children, and this is the principle on which I bring up these children. Stick to Facts, sir!' (1.1.1)
Mr Gradgrind, the Headmaster in Hard Times by Charles Dickens. It was clearly not the author's view. Gradgrind is anything but a sympathetic chacter.
Wow this guy was excellent, I wish all you people would take the time and listen to this. It says in my opinion exactly why Trump won, he was right we , I am so tired of the same old way of doing things. And he was so right about Obama , and yes I voted for him in 2008 , because I wanted change and could not vote for McCain. In the end all we got was the same old crap. I hope Mr. D takes the time and comes hear and reads this. By the way Mr. D is my closest friend in Thailand , but on this one we will disagree .
